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315 Miwate at Zibi [Block 204] | 74.57m | 23s | Dream | NEUF

hoggytime said:
The island needs another attraction besides a seasonal zipline. They also really need to focus on the hotel that's planned (integrating the large ruins). A decent sized boutique hotel with absolutely gobsmackingly epic views of Parliament and the Riverscape would bring a lot of people to the island to support more commercial.
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The new regional museum in the old EB Eddy building will help, though that's a CAQ promise, and their promises aren't worth much. Agreed that Board Mill hotel would go a long way in activating the site with hundreds of people every week eager to go out and eat/spend some money on activities. Hope they come up with other ideas to attract people to the site.
pgagnon said:
They could also focus on events and activation of the space. I remember years ago before Zibi was a thing they used to have events in the old warehouse building which were a hit. Think Canada Day, Winterlude, Bluesfest, etc.
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I feel like we lost something since Windmill left the project. They were very good at animating the site.
HeIsTheOne99 said:
As I mentioned in one of the other threads, the Aisle24 stores are only really good for snacks and beverages. If you want real food, then you’re still going to have to drive (or walk) to your local grocery store

It’s a nice new development, but they’re definitely going to have to bonify the commercial space on offer. I’m afraid that in the long term, businesses will want to settle at Lebreton Flats and Gatineau, but will avoid the space within Zibi
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Aisle24 is no substitution for a grocery store or even a dépanneur, especially with the app based access that limits walk-ins, but at least it's something. I'm sure Zibi eventually become a desirable place for retail as the literal bridge between LeBreton Flats and Hull.

It's really too bad le Vieux Chicago plans to move to the Hull side of Zibi fell through.
 
hoggytime said:
The island needs another attraction besides a seasonal zipline. They also really need to focus on the hotel that's planned (integrating the large ruins). A decent sized boutique hotel with absolutely gobsmackingly epic views of Parliament and the Riverscape would bring a lot of people to the island to support more commercial.
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a hotel in that location might also become very popular with the musicians and bands that perform at Lebreton Flats in the summer months

the issue with Zibi is that it’s stuck between Hull (which already has a decent amount of small businesses, and will be getting a tram in the future) and LeBreton Flats (where big money will be spending big in order to bring in a lot of commercial business into a brand new development. It already has two OTrain stations that will serve the area well). Pretty hard to compete when Zibi is mostly a residential development and their construction progress is going at a snail’s pace, and I suspect that it’ll always struggle relative to its two neighbours
 
Though I understand why Portage makes more sense for the tram, it would have been great if it used Chaudière.

Maybe a frequent bus shuttle between the tram and Pimisi could help.
 
They need to move Confederation Boulevard to the Chaudiere instead of the Portage and market it heavily. The War Museum, Chaudiere Falls, Adisoke, The Holocaust Memorial, the upcoming Outaouais Museum and Aghanistan War memorial need to be on it.

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Confederation Boulevard already has a few section off the main path, so adding Queen in there (NAC, past a few Government institutions, hopefully something nice at Bronson Park eventually) and then the rest of your path to hit those other landmarks would be great.

I'd say Albert over Queen for vistas of the NAC on one side, and Adisoke on the other, but because it's a one way and doesn't have any monumental Government building in between... 🤷
 
I don't think any of those "need" to be on the confederation bvld. if they are building out the nodes plan from the last round of NCC docs. Goes through too much residential and albert needs to be function over form.
 
I think I've said this before, but I wish they would have had more heritage retention (and do more of them early on), more pedestrianization and turning more towards the river instead of the road moats all over the place, as if we don't have enough waterfront roads in Ottawa.

It will still be a great place once it's all done, with decent architecture (on the Ottawa side), but it could have been so much more.
 
The residential buildings so far (this + Voda apartments) interms of color and materials used are a not suitable for the site's location and prominace. Just generic investor towers that could be anywhere is NA.

Zero relationship to chaudiere falls, the stone mills, the bridges or the industrial history of the island.

Office and institutional buildings seem fine on the surface. But ultimately having the island be development by a private developer was a mistake.
 
jay2028 said:
When its done i think it will be fine.
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Which is not for another 10-15 years

It’s a nice area with a crying lack of retail on-site. These new apartment buildings look decent and are starting to “fill up the space” nicely, but it’s not going to lead to a “thriving neighborhood” when your only retail outlet is a tiny food store with no employees that gets restocked with snack foods and soda drinks only once a month
 
sixtysixdays said:
The residential buildings so far (this + Voda apartments) interms of color and materials used are a not suitable for the site's location and prominace. Just generic investor towers that could be anywhere is NA.

Zero relationship to chaudiere falls, the stone mills, the bridges or the industrial history of the island.

Office and institutional buildings seem fine on the surface. But ultimately having the island be development by a private developer was a mistake.
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If the city said no to this nothing would have been done it would just be left as a wasteland.
 
Government had a few years to take over, but didn't. Of course it was Harper at the time, and he couldn't care less. I'm sure the NCC would purchase the site now had it still been on the market, but it would be years of planning and consultation before anything ever got done. Best case scenario, it would have stayed an industrial wasteland for another decade or two.

At first I was trying to argue in favour of the private sector, but now I don't know. 😄

Dream may never have established a presence in Ottawa, so no Odenak and potentially local developers would have continued building sub-par designs. There, here's an argument in favour of what we're seeing now.
 
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