jay2028
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Part of the deal for the new subs should be South Korea build the new high speed rail .
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Alto High Speed Rail
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Ottawacurious
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Took some time to read through various Facebook groups in the frontenac corridors. Theres a lot of resistance cutting through the areas especially the southern corridor. Has anyone seen details around animal bridges along the route??
casscadia
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I asked about accommodations for wildlife such as wildlife crossings at the consultation, and was basically told they won't know the specifics until the final route has been chosen, at which point they can do specific environmental impact assessments.
Ottawacurious
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casscadia
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Never seen an angle like that of the canal before it was Greber-ified. I can see why they wanted the rails gone when there was basically nothing separating the cars from the trains. I imagine there will be a fence, at the very least, if they do build Alto there .
Some pretty significant modifications to the Laurier Bridge. That's a great find.
And yes, Alto will be fenced for the entire route, just like the O-Train fwiw.
And yes, Alto will be fenced for the entire route, just like the O-Train fwiw.
Dzingle Bells
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if alto goes downtown, it would be underground by this point.
Not a new argument, but potentially the first time it gets traction outside urbanism/train nerds; Union Station on Rideau would provide better access to Gatineau residents.
TGV et tramway: Gatineau ne peut pas «manquer son coup»
Une station du TGV au centre-ville d'Ottawa et une connexion avec le tramway est nécessaire pour l'avenir de la mobilité de la grande région de la capitale fédérale, croit l'organisme MOBI-O.
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Marcus CLS
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I generally like to just post photos and state facts about projects without expressing opinions as I find most people do not like what I have to say. Most recently I had a post deleted from SSP. So here it goes against my better judgement.
With people dieing in ER waiting rooms, lining up at food banks and dieing on Northern Ontario highways, this project is a huge waste of tax payers money. This is not the time. Our tax dollars should be spent on improving health care, food security and making the Trans Canada highway, especially Hwy.11/17 safer by four lane twinning. Improving northern highways can be done at a fraction of the cost then 100 billion dollars on moving people that does nothing for the economy or raising GDP.
With people dieing in ER waiting rooms, lining up at food banks and dieing on Northern Ontario highways, this project is a huge waste of tax payers money. This is not the time. Our tax dollars should be spent on improving health care, food security and making the Trans Canada highway, especially Hwy.11/17 safer by four lane twinning. Improving northern highways can be done at a fraction of the cost then 100 billion dollars on moving people that does nothing for the economy or raising GDP.
While I disagree, thank you for expressing your opinion! It's welcome here!
Marcus CLS
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While not exactly as I indicated above 23,746 patients died in Canada while waiting for surgeries or diagnostic procedures between April 2024 and 2025 bringing the total upto 100,000 since 2018. (CTV.news)
So please explain to me why you disagree. High speed rail is more important than 100,000 canadian lives?
Not building HSR doesn't mean the money will be redirect elsewhere. There are much bigger actual wastes of money like $200 million to get beer in stores a year earlier, billions on a pay system we were told would be bad by an Australian state AND the developer of the system themselves, the loss of a billion in lost tax revenues from licence plate fees each year and I could go on.
HSR is a tangible piece of infrastructure that will save an incredible amount of time for real people and emissions in our environment. It will be a huge economic driver.
Though I can understand the thought of "moving money" to fix serious issues, it's rarely that simple.
HSR is a tangible piece of infrastructure that will save an incredible amount of time for real people and emissions in our environment. It will be a huge economic driver.
Though I can understand the thought of "moving money" to fix serious issues, it's rarely that simple.
Marcus CLS
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The 100,000 that died since 2018 have no time but I guess by your standard they are not real people anymore.
As for redirecting funds it is that simple Just cancel this ridiculous project. Nobody cares about emissions anymore except a small few in Canada and when I say nobody cares I mean the rest of the world. The improved safety to the northern highways will improve the movement of goods by truck and be a driver for increased inter-provincial trade.
I was attempting to point out the tangible benefits of HSR compared to the other examples of wastes of money that had little to know positive impacts for people, not those who died waiting for surgeries.
As for the environment, even if a lot of people stoped carring, climate change is still happening and will continue to wreak havoc.
The reality is HSR is a Federal project. If it gets cancelled, that money won't be transferred to the Provinces to fix health care and highways. I agree those should be priorities. Of course we should be investing more in the health care system, but our current Provincial Governments have extremely problematic priorities, like Doug Ford and his crusade to increase access to booze and gambling.
I'll give you another example: Lansdowne 2.0. I am personally opposed to the final iteration for various reasons. One argument we've heard a lot is that the $500 million can be used elsewhere. As much as I disagree with the project, it's false that we can just spend that $500 milluon elsewhere, because elsewhere doesn't have the air rights, the naming rights, the income from tenants, ticket surcharges etc. Lansdowne certainly won't cost a fraction of the total over a few decades like the Mayor says, but it will recoup some of the cost. And if 2.0 was voted down, the Mayor wouldn't even have put a fraction of that money elsewhere, because the way he talks, we have more than enough money for 2.0, but on any other subject (with very minimal exceptions), we're broke.
sm4012
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Holy strawman haha.
I agree with you that we need to focus on healthcare and transportation safety, but the reality is that those are provincial responsibilities (blame Doug Ford for the shitty infra in the north + the degradation of healthcare). We have already committed billions to the project and it will be quite a large economic boost and do wonders for freedom of movement, and a huge boost to our GDP. If it were to be cancelled that money would probably just end up going to pay some kind of huge cancellation fee with the consortium we signed the contract with lol.
On the topic of emission: People most certainly care about emissions. It’s important that we continue to continue fighting climate change. Countless will already die even on our current trajectory, and ironically make infrastructure and healthcare even more expensive and overworked. If you care about saving human lives you should be caring about climate change mitigation.